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Puzzle 10/07/06: XY

 
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daj95376



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject: Puzzle 10/07/06: XY Reply with quote

Code:
 +-----------------------+
 | 2 6 . | . 9 4 | 5 . . |
 | 9 . . | 6 . 5 | . 2 . |
 | . . . | . . . | 6 . . |
 |-------+-------+-------|
 | . 1 . | 5 . . | 8 . 4 |
 | 5 . . | . . . | 9 . . |
 | 4 3 . | . . 9 | . . . |
 |-------+-------+-------|
 | 7 . 8 | 9 1 . | . . 5 |
 | . 5 . | . . . | . . . |
 | . . . | 4 . . | 3 . 2 |
 +-----------------------+

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Code:
 after basics
 +--------------------------------------------------------------+
 |  2     6     13    |  78    9     4     |  5     1378  1378  |
 |  9     4     13    |  6     78    5     |  17    2     1378  |
 |  8     7     5     |  123   23    12    |  6     4     9     |
 |--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
 |  6     1     9     |  5     237   27    |  8     37    4     |
 |  5     8     2     |  137   4     167   |  9     137   1367  |
 |  4     3     7     |  18    68    9     |  2     5     16    |
 |--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
 |  7     2     8     |  9     1     3     |  4     6     5     |
 |  3     5     4     |  27    267   2678  |  17    9     178   |
 |  1     9     6     |  4     5     78    |  3     78    2     |
 +--------------------------------------------------------------+
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Marty R.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Finned X-Wing (7), which I think was useless
UR (13) in boxes 13. R12c9 must be 7 or 8; either one solves box 8
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two steps.............

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Almost xy-wing 6-78 with vertex (68)r6c5, pincer (78)r2c5, pincer (67)r5c6 and fin (1)r5c6
If xy-wing is true: r4c5<>7
If fin is true: (1)r5c6-(1=2)r3c6-(2=7)r4c6; r4c5<>7

x-wing 7 r49c68; r58c6,r15c8<>7

Ted
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tlanglet



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marty R. wrote:
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Finned X-Wing (7), which I think was useless
UR (13) in boxes 13. R12c9 must be 7 or 8; either one solves box 8


Marty, that was a very nice find. I orginally looked at that situation also but did not find a solution. However after reading your post, I looked at it again and found it.

Ted
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dejsmith



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a different course, if it is valid to extend a W Wing. W Wing (78) with strong link (7) in C7. Extending both ends eliminates 8 in R1C9. That opens up an XYZ Wing (137), which eliminates (1) in R1C8. And the puzzle solves.

Is that valid? I hesitate to even suggest it because if it hasn't been discussed by the time I get to it, something must be wrong.

Dave
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Marty R.



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dejsmith wrote:
Here is a different course, if it is valid to extend a W Wing. W Wing (7Cool with strong link (7) in C7. Extending both ends eliminates 8 in R1C9. That opens up an XYZ Wing (137), which eliminates (1) in R1C8. And the puzzle solves.

Is that valid? I hesitate to even suggest it because if it hasn't been discussed by the time I get to it, something must be wrong.

Dave

Basically, it's valid to extend pincers in any technique where there are pincers. You just have to show that the existence of a value in a pincer cell proves the same value in another cell. (I hope I said that correctly).
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