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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:49 pm    Post subject: Puzzle 11/08/09: ~ XY (BBDB?) (difficult!) | 
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 | . . 6 | . . 9 | . 1 . |
 
 | . 8 4 | 2 5 1 | . . 9 |
 
 | 5 9 1 | . . . | . 2 . |
 
 |-------+-------+-------|
 
 | . 4 . | 9 . . | 5 . . |
 
 | . 6 . | . 8 . | . 3 . |
 
 | 7 3 . | . . . | . . . |
 
 |-------+-------+-------|
 
 | . . . | 6 . . | 3 . . |
 
 | 8 . 3 | . 2 . | . 9 . |
 
 | . 5 . | . . . | . . 2 |
 
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		Luke451
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:31 am    Post subject:  | 
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				If a black bug bleeds black blood, what color blood does a blue bug bleed? 
 
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 | 2     7     6     | 348   34    9     | 48    1     5     |
 
 | 3     8     4     | 2     5     1     | 67    67    9     |
 
 | 5     9     1     | 478   467   4678  | 48    2     3     |
 
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 
 | 1     4     28    | 9     367   2367  | 5     678   678   |
 
 | 9     6     5     | 147   8     47    | 2     3     147   |
 
 | 7     3     28    | 145   46    2456  | 9     468   1468  |
 
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 
 | 4     2     9     | 6     1     78    | 3     5     78    |
 
 | 8     1     3     | 457   2     457   | 67    9     467   |
 
 | 6     5     7     | 348   9     348   | 1     48    2     |
 
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 BUG-Lite (67)r2c78,r4c89,r8c79[(8)r4c89=(4)r8c9]:
 
 
1. (8)r6c3=r4c3-[(8)r4c89=(4)r8c9]-(4=8)r9c8 =>r6c8<>8
 
2. xy: (8=4)r9c8-(4=6)-(6=4)-(4=7)-(7=8)r7c6 =>r7c9<>8 | 
			 
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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:41 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Luke451 wrote: | 	 		  BUG-Lite (67)r2c78,r4c89,r8c79[(8)r4c89=(4)r8c9]:
 
 
1. (8)r6c3=r4c3-[(8)r4c89=(4)r8c9]-(4=8)r9c8 =>r6c8<>8
 
2. xy: (8=4)r9c8-(4=6)-(6=4)-(4=7)-(7=8)r7c6 =>r7c9<>8
 
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Luke, nice find on the BUG-Lite. Can the first chain be shortened?
 
 
(8)r6c3=r4c3-[(8)r4c89=(4)r8c9]-(4=8)r9c8 =>r6c8<>8 | 
			 
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		Luke451
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:32 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | daj95376 wrote: | 	 		   	  | Luke451 wrote: | 	 		  BUG-Lite (67)r2c78,r4c89,r8c79[(8)r4c89=(4)r8c9]:
 
 
1. (8)r6c3=r4c3-[(8)r4c89=(4)r8c9]-(4=8)r9c8 =>r6c8<>8
 
2. xy: (8=4)r9c8-(4=6)-(6=4)-(4=7)-(7=8)r7c6 =>r7c9<>8
 
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Luke, nice find on the BUG-Lite. Can the first chain be shortened?
 
 
(8)r6c3=r4c3-[(8)r4c89=(4)r8c9]-(4=8)r9c8 =>r6c8<>8 | 	  
 
Sure can, that first part was left over from a failed attempt to combine the two moves, should have been clipped. Thanks.
 
 
So now, if we are now calling little wings things like a "Purple Cow" based on someone's whim, I'm going ahead by claiming further naming rights.
 
 
This particular BUG-Lite will hereafter and into perpetuity be known as the "Blue Blood BUG." Thank you very much. I look forward to the Sudopedia revisions, articles on "Extended Blue Blood BUGS," glory and recognition.
 
 
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		ronk
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Luke451 wrote: | 	 		  | So now, if we are now calling little wings things like a "Purple Cow" based on someone's whim, I'm going ahead by claiming further naming rights. | 	  
 
You'll find no support for the "purple cow" name from me ... and I've been astounded at its usage by others.      | 
			 
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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:42 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Luke451 wrote: | 	 		  So now, if we are now calling little wings things like a "Purple Cow" based on someone's whim, I'm going ahead by claiming further naming rights.
 
 
This particular BUG-Lite will hereafter and into perpetuity be known as the "Blue Blood BUG." Thank you very much. I look forward to the Sudopedia revisions, articles on "Extended Blue Blood BUGS," glory and recognition.
 
 
            
 
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Luke,
 
 
I'm glad to see someone having fun with the trend to name interesting patterns. I must admit that I participated, some. I also must admit that this is an interesting pattern, and that it's tempting to stick a label on it. Thanks for the chuckle!!!
 
 
BTW: The Purple Cow thing confused me from the start.
 
 
Regards, Danny | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:59 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| I'm stuck. I played the Bug-Lite (I still like to call it a potential DP) but the eliminations didn't set up a move that I could see. I don't understand what Luke did with the Bug-Lite, but his subsequent chain set r6c8<>8, which i thought was accomplished by the Bug-Lite. | 
			 
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		Luke451
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:17 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Marty R. wrote: | 	 		  | I'm stuck. I played the Bug-Lite (I still like to call it a potential DP) but the eliminations didn't set up a move that I could see. I don't understand what Luke did with the Bug-Lite, but his subsequent chain set r6c8<>8, which i thought was accomplished by the Bug-Lite. | 	  
 
 
 
Hi, Marty, thanks for looking past my shenanigans and at the actual puzzle  
 
 
Did you mean to say you do or don't understand what was done with BUG-Lite? r6c8<>8 is accomplished by the BUG-Lite, as you pointed out.
 
 
The second chain (xy) proves r7c9<>8.
 
 
If what was done with the BUG-Lite is confusing, I will elaborate to the best of my shaky ability. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:48 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Quote: | 	 		  Hi, Marty, thanks for looking past my shenanigans and at the actual puzzle Smile
 
 
Did you mean to say you do or don't understand what was done with BUG-Lite? r6c8<>8 is accomplished by the BUG-Lite, as you pointed out.
 
 
The second chain (xy) proves r7c9<>8.
 
 
If what was done with the BUG-Lite is confusing, I will elaborate to the best of my shaky ability. | 	  
 
Luke,
 
 
First of all, I'm notation-challenged. But I can now see in your post that the first line like was a heading, or intro, not a separate step. I was thinking that the chain that eliminated 8 from r6c8 was step #2 as opposed to the elimination from the Bug-Lite. | 
			 
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		peterj
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:01 am    Post subject:  | 
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				An alternative non-DP two stepper...
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		  m-wing-like(48) (4=78)r57c6 - r7c9=(8-4)r9c8=r6c8 ; r6c456<>4, r5c9<>4
 
xyz-wing(68-7) r4c9, r4c8, r7c9 ; r5c9<>7 | 	  
 
For fun a one-stepper admittedly cobbled together from another path in my notes.. and trying too hard!
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		  | xyz-wing(45-7)r8c6,r8c4,r5c6=(4)r8c4 - (348=7)r193c4 - r3c5=r4c5 - (678=4)r4c89|r6c6 - (4=8)r9c8 - (8=7)r7c9 ; r7c6<>7 | 	  
 
(Couple of almost-xyz-wings in these two paths) | 
			 
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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				My solver used a long XY-Chain on this puzzle to keep it XY-rated.
 
 
Alternately:
 
 
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 +--------------------------------------------------------------+
 
 |  2     7     6     |  348   34    9     |  48    1     5     |
 
 |  3     8     4     |  2     5     1     |  67    67    9     |
 
 |  5     9     1     |  478   467   4678  |  48    2     3     |
 
 |--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
 
 |  1     4     28    |  9     367   2367  |  5     678   678   |
 
 |  9     6     5     |  147   8     47    |  2     3     147   |
 
 |  7     3     28    |  145   46    2456  |  9     468   1468  |
 
 |--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
 
 |  4     2     9     |  6     1     78    |  3     5     78    |
 
 |  8     1     3     |  457   2     457   |  67    9     467   |
 
 |  6     5     7     |  348   9     348   |  1     48    2     |
 
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 # 55 eliminations remain
 
 
(4=7)r5c6 - r7c6 = r7c9 - (67=4)r8c7+9  =>  r5c9,r8c6<>4
 
 
 <68+7>  XYZ-Wing r4c9/r4c8+r7c9         <> 7    r5c9
 
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