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		| Earl 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Feb 16 DB |   |  
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				| This DB has a few hidden trips and then a skyscaper (9) solves it. 
 
 Earl
 
 
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +-------+-------+-------+
 | 1 . . | . . . | . . . |
 | . 6 2 | . 4 . | . . . |
 | 3 . 4 | . 5 . | . 1 . |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . . . | 5 . 4 | . . 6 |
 | 6 . 3 | 2 . 8 | 5 . 7 |
 | 8 . . | 9 . 3 | . . . |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . 7 . | . 8 . | 2 . 1 |
 | . . . | . 2 . | 4 6 . |
 | . . . | . . . | . . 8 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 
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 Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site
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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| There was a Type 4 UR on 24 and a W-Wing on 39 solved it. |  | 
	
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		| Victor 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Earl, that's a new one on me.  What are hidden trips?  (Sounds like 60s LSD or something!) |  | 
	
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		| storm_norm 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| hidden trip wires... 
 maybe war veteran slang??
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		| storm_norm 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| xyz-wing 
 UR
 
 then coloring on 9
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		| keith 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Hidden triples? 
 I used a UR and the skyscraper.
 
 Keith
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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | storm_norm wrote: |  	  | hidden trip wires... 
 maybe war veteran slang??
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 Hopefully he'll explain. In my old poker-playing days, three of a kind were called "trips", so maybe he means hidden triples.
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		| keith 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Here's a new one, for me: An extended triple. 
 Can you solve this in one move?
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +----------------+----------------+----------------+ | 1    89   5    | 678  39c  267  | 67   24   2349 |
 | 7    6    2    | 13a  4    19b  | 8-9   58   359  |
 | 3    89   4    | 678  5    267  | 67   1    29   |
 +----------------+----------------+----------------+
 | 29   12   19   | 5    7    4    | 38   38   6    |
 | 6    4    3    | 2    1    8    | 5    9    7    |
 | 8    5    7    | 9    6    3    | 1    24   24   |
 +----------------+----------------+----------------+
 | 459  7    69   | 346  8    569  | 2    35   1    |
 | 59   3    8    | 17   2    17   | 4    6    59   |
 | 245  12   16   | 46   39d  56   | 39e  7    8    |
 +----------------+----------------+----------------+
 
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 abc in B2 is a triple.  Any cell that sees all three cannot be <139>.  We can extend c <39> to d and e.  c and e are the same value.  R2C7 cannot be <9>, the puzzle is solved!
 
 Of course, abc is also a very useless XY-wing:  Any cell that sees both b and c cannot be <9>.
 
 [The UR on <24> is in R16C89.  It takes out <24> in R1C9.
 Th skyscraper on <9> is in C57.  It takes out <9> in R1C9.]
 
 Keith
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		| storm_norm 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Marty R. wrote: |  	  |  	  | storm_norm wrote: |  	  | hidden trip wires... 
 maybe war veteran slang??
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 Hopefully he'll explain. In my old poker-playing days, three of a kind were called "trips", so maybe he means hidden triples.
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 yeah, you are right, I don't know where the trip wire thing came from.  three of a kind is trips.
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		| Johan 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| The <9> in R2C7 can also be eliminated by the ER in Box 2 |  | 
	
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