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		| George Woods 
 
 
 Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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 Location: Dorset UK
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: sat 5th very hard |   |  
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				| Always looking for the more direct route I wonder is there a better one? 
 After some fairly mundane entries I reached r7c5 which might be 1 5 or 8
 
 An X wing in r48c35 denies a 1 in this position
 
 The 5 is denied by a bit of reasoning that may not have a formal description.
 
 To leave a position for 5 in col 1 there must be a 5 in either c5 row 2 or 8
 So a 5 in col 5 at either r3 or 7 denies this
 
 Hence r7c5 is 8 and so on to a solution.
 
 So what is the better solution?
 
 
 the crunch point to which above refers is
 
 018 020 075
 702 106 049
 009 000 100
 
 920 005  006
 040 060 250
 800 200 091
 
 070 000 900
 290 304 007
 080 090 510
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		| David Bryant 
 
 
 Joined: 29 Jul 2005
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 Location: Denver, Colorado
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: X-Wing on "5" |   |  
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				| George -- 
 There's another X-Wing -- on "5"s -- in columns 1 & 4 (and in rows 3 & 7, specifically), which eliminates the "5" at r7c5.  dcb
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		| Blas 
 
 
 Joined: 19 Jul 2005
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Sat 5th Aug puzzle continued |   |  
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				| Being very dim, I cannot get the 5 in r1c9, which George Woods found.  George - how did you get it, please? |  | 
	
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		| TKiel 
 
 
 Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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 Location: Kalamazoo, MI
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Blas, 
 After playing the 5 singles at the start of the puzzle, that leaves a naked pair in box 6.  After making those exclusions from the rest of that box, the only 3's remaining in column 7 lie in box 3, which means all other 3's in that box can be excluded.  This leaves r1c9 with only 5 as a candidate.
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		| Blas 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Sat puzzle |   |  
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				| I can NOT believe it; I really must get my eyes tested; what a prat I am.  Many thanks, Tracy. |  | 
	
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